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User
Posted 07 Apr 2021 at 18:05
Has he been prescribed Tamsulosin, Dawn? That worked wonders for me in the "flow" department!

Cheers,

Chris

User
Posted 07 Apr 2021 at 19:02

Hi Dawn, 

Sorry to see you and your husband have got to go through the journey of prostate cancer, I was diagnosed in 2017 low risk Gleason 6, grade 1 T2a confined.

I went on active surveillance for 3years no treatment, apart from 3 biopsies, 3 mri, 1 bone scan, I was fine with 2 of the biopsies, but the last one I had an infection in hospital overnight then it cleared up.

The decision which treatment to have RT or Surgery is something I I though about and researched for 3 years.

I decided to go for surgery, albeit RT gives the same success rate you need to read all the information for both which is available from the site, they will post all the information out to you.

Given your husband is a builder self employed? you may think surgery would take longer to deal with, this is not necessarily correct, before RT you have hormone therapy and this goes on after for a further 3 months, and RT you attend the hospital 5 days a week for 4 weeks this is the minimum time some are longer.

Surgery in one day out the next, yes a catheter for 7to 10days, no drugs apart from paracetamol for a few days.

I had surgery the 25th November 2020 everything went fine took it easy for a month, plenty of walking, in the new year started light exercise weights, by end of February fully up to speed and riding my bike again and lifting weights prior to op, I am 68years old fit retired but I can now do everything before I had surgery gardening digging no problem.

We are all different I have had a great recovery I was fit before that helps of course, good luck to both of you which ever you choose, if you go for RT surgery is not really possible if required in the future, but RT can be a salvage treatment if ever required after surgery, take care.

Daily

User
Posted 07 Apr 2021 at 19:11

Hi Chris, yes he has been on that for about week, his flow is definitely better.  do you have to take it permanently or is a short term thing.  We have a 28 day supply but not sure if he will need more.  Will check with hospital, compiling a list of questions!

dawn

User
Posted 07 Apr 2021 at 19:22

Thanks Daily, really good to hear and I am glad you are doing well. 

I asked the consultant yesterday how long he would have had this and he said years, thankfully caught it now before it progresses further.  He had symptoms about 3 years ago, makes me wonder why they didnt  PSA sooner, guess the outcome and treatment options would be the same though.  Cant look back though and just have to start looking forward and what might work best.  I can advantages and disadvantages for both. I had started to quite a bit of research before chatting with the consultant, I was leaning more towards RP and John towards HT/RT.  I know someone who had the former and he knows someone who had the latter.  John is self-employed and to be honest, I think given the pandemic and a back problem from years of wear and tear, I think he knows his building days of heavy lifting are over.  He hasnt got much of a pension and we dont have critical illness but I work full-time and I am sure we will be able to manage.  Main thing is to get him fit and well.  This community is so helpful, and good to hear the different experiences. 

Dawn

User
Posted 07 Apr 2021 at 19:45

Hi dawn a good set off people on here all going or have gone through the same thing  treatment has improved so much so hopefully we will all come through this whichever option we choose all the best gaz

User
Posted 07 Apr 2021 at 23:51

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hi Chris, yes he has been on that for about week, his flow is definitely better.  do you have to take it permanently or is a short term thing.  We have a 28 day supply but not sure if he will need more.  Will check with hospital, compiling a list of questions!

dawn

I'm taking it permanently in a small dose (one tablet every other day), because the radiation made my prostate swell up a bit. It isn't essential for me - I can manage without it - but it definitely makes things easier! It's the only permanent "side-effect" of my treatment, two years after finishing RT. Everything else has long since sorted itself out.

Best wishes,

Chris

 

Edited by member 07 Apr 2021 at 23:54  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 08 Apr 2021 at 22:27

Well the saga continues, we had the diagnosis on Tuesday, catheter removed yesterday and struggling to pee following biopsy, all fine and urinating fine until we went to bed. Pain, temp, uncontrollable shaking and difficulty urinating again. Back to hospital this morning, diagnosed with UTI. Now on antibiotics as well as the prostate med. Poor guy, just helpless. Having more doubts about HT/RT given the urinary issues and how RT could make this worse. However if he goes down RP route, he will need another catheter. Anyone else had ongoing issues with UTI following catheters. 

Thanks

Dawn

User
Posted 09 Apr 2021 at 00:33
RP will certainly solve any issues with his prostate and retention - he will no longer have one to retain anything!

Hard graft and leakage associated with lifting may be a problem initially if he has an RP.

Any catheter issues after RP are usually short lived but none of the radical treatment s are risk free in the catheter dept.

Rather than doing something because you know someone who did X or Y you need to pick the best treatment for his stage, that offers the most tolerable side effect profile for your personal circumstances.

User
Posted 09 Apr 2021 at 01:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
RP will certainly solve any issues with his prostate and retention - he will no longer have one to retain anything!

Hard graft and leakage associated with lifting may be a problem initially if he has an RP.

Any catheter issues after RP are usually short lived but none of the radical treatment s are risk free in the catheter dept.

Rather than doing something because you know someone who did X or Y you need to pick the best treatment for his stage, that offers the most tolerable side effect profile for your personal circumstances.

Thanks, yes the nurse said it will kill 2 birds with one stone if he has RP, removes the tumour and will resolves urinary issues longer term. If he goes down RT route, he will need investigations and probably a procedure to core out urethra first. 

 

Edited by member 09 Apr 2021 at 01:28  | Reason: Typo

User
Posted 09 Apr 2021 at 09:01

Dawn,

Hope things start to improve.

In the end I chose the RP route and so far I feel its been the right decision for me. Click on my profile if yoy would like to know more

Best of luck

User
Posted 10 Apr 2021 at 15:15

Hi Dawn,

Sorry to hear your husband suffered a infection, I did after my 3rd biopsy not nice, it helped me make my mind up about having treatment, the type of treatment you choose is your husband's call, they do say there is no right or wrong choice it's what works for you.

I have no regrets I went with surgery which removes a lot of prostate problems that can be ongoing with other treatments.

I hope you get there soon, but once again I can do everything physically I could before my surgery in November 2020, but we are all different, I would advise whatever your choice try to get as fit as possible before this helps with recovery.

Kind Regards 

Daily 

User
Posted 11 Apr 2021 at 22:44

Hi Dawn, I am afraid I only drop into this forum about once a week so have only just picked up your thread. You are going through a tough time, but most of us here have also been through different – but ultimately similar – tough times, so we hope we can provide support.

If pain continues, that is horrible. In my case the whole thing started with a UTI (though to be fair, I did have flow problems I had largely ignored earlier). After two different GP antibiotic prescriptions that gave temporary respite then a worse recurrence, I ended up with a hospital urologist who gave me something really strong which worked, plus tamsulosin for flow which worked brilliantly. It also put me on the work-up conveyor belt which eventually told me I had Gleason 7 (3+4) just like your husband.

The hospital was good at outlining options, which apparently have very similar outcomes (we are in East Yorkshire, so I guess a little bit south of you). In the end I went for surgery, my age meant the most worrying side effect of radiotherapy (increased chance of cancer 20 years down the line) was a possible issue. It sounds as if your husband is similar, there is no reason not to expect him to live into his eighties following treatment. (A third option, brachyotherapy – a different form of radiation – sounded rather good but apparently my prostate had already got too large for that). And it isn't clear that radiotherapy would resolve the poor flow issue whereas surgery would completely remove the constriction.

But surgery isn't a picnic either! Protatectomy is a major operation even if it is done through a few small incisions using a robotic probe. If that is the way your husband goes, you can expect him to be pretty washed out for a few weeks. And needing a catheter, which you already know about, doesn't help. Even after that it takes months to get back to full physical fitness. And you need to know that most patients will suffer, to some degree or another, subsequent incontinence and erectile dysfunction. I won't go into that since there are multiple threads here, but you have to anticipate effects. Incontinence in particular, if it turns out to continue beyond the initial recovery, will be made worse by physical work such as lifting which is an inevitable feature of your husband's job. (Though to be fair many patients recover OK, and for me though I leak a bit wearing one pad a day, rarely more, inside my underpants doesn't stop me enjoying life).

Good luck to both of you. Any questions just ask, there are lots of helpful folk here.

User
Posted 15 Apr 2021 at 00:12

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hi Dawn, I am afraid I only drop into this forum about once a week so have only just picked up your thread. You are going through a tough time, but most of us here have also been through different – but ultimately similar – tough times, so we hope we can provide support.

If pain continues, that is horrible. In my case the whole thing started with a UTI (though to be fair, I did have flow problems I had largely ignored earlier). After two different GP antibiotic prescriptions that gave temporary respite then a worse recurrence, I ended up with a hospital urologist who gave me something really strong which worked, plus tamsulosin for flow which worked brilliantly. It also put me on the work-up conveyor belt which eventually told me I had Gleason 7 (3+4) just like your husband.

The hospital was good at outlining options, which apparently have very similar outcomes (we are in East Yorkshire, so I guess a little bit south of you). In the end I went for surgery, my age meant the most worrying side effect of radiotherapy (increased chance of cancer 20 years down the line) was a possible issue. It sounds as if your husband is similar, there is no reason not to expect him to live into his eighties following treatment. (A third option, brachyotherapy – a different form of radiation – sounded rather good but apparently my prostate had already got too large for that). And it isn't clear that radiotherapy would resolve the poor flow issue whereas surgery would completely remove the constriction.

But surgery isn't a picnic either! Protatectomy is a major operation even if it is done through a few small incisions using a robotic probe. If that is the way your husband goes, you can expect him to be pretty washed out for a few weeks. And needing a catheter, which you already know about, doesn't help. Even after that it takes months to get back to full physical fitness. And you need to know that most patients will suffer, to some degree or another, subsequent incontinence and erectile dysfunction. I won't go into that since there are multiple threads here, but you have to anticipate effects. Incontinence in particular, if it turns out to continue beyond the initial recovery, will be made worse by physical work such as lifting which is an inevitable feature of your husband's job. (Though to be fair many patients recover OK, and for me though I leak a bit wearing one pad a day, rarely more, inside my underpants doesn't stop me enjoying life).

Good luck to both of you. Any questions just ask, there are lots of helpful folk here.

Thank you, really helpful. It has been a tough few weeks, two different bacterial infections, probably from the catheter ( side effect of the template biopsy). He is on a combination of 2 different antibiotics, still feels like he is sitting on a golf ball!! But definitely feeling much better. He has literally be floored with this since the biopsy on the 22nd March. Feel he has turned a corner now after the biopsy and infections but still unable to work or do much. We are meeting with the oncologist next Fri to discuss HT/RT. I spoke with one of the specialist nurses yesterday and she thinkS he would probably need a T.U.R.P procedure if he chooses HT/RT. This appears quite invasive and would require a GA and hospital stay. He could be prone to infections in the future and given everything, surgery to remove the prostate is going to be the best option. I think he will probably have to give up work, he has his own business and we will probably have to put it into liquidation as either way, he just cant work n we cant keep it ticking over. 

Tha is again for the information, really appreciated and helpful

Dawn

User
Posted 15 Apr 2021 at 09:49

Dawn,

Good luck with whatever treatment plan you both decide. Its a stressful time but I think gets easier once you make a decision. I was diagnosed in 2017 and didn't make a decision until 2020!!

I went the RP route and really glad I did and that I didn't delay further. Surgery for me was March 23rd 2020. Apart from the inevitable dry orgasms and a scar (I Had open surgery) things are more or less back to where things were pre-op...but without the stress of treatment looming.

Best wishes

User
Posted 18 Jul 2021 at 21:07

Hu Dawn, 

I am so sorry that you and your husband are dealing with this. I was wondering if I could ask you some question about your husband, Pre Diagnosis..

 

Billie-

 

User
Posted 24 Jul 2021 at 01:50

Hi Billi

Yes of course, how can I help?

Dawn 

 

 
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