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Posted 03 Apr 2023 at 08:37

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Piers, I have probably already told you this before, my bladder capacity did shrink after surgery, looking at some urine diaries my capacity was down to 250 mls before SRT. It is important to add that I had a dozen excursions into my bladder and I was also doing intermittent self catheterization/dilatation, this may have caused my issues. 

It may worth speaking to your urologist to flag up your concerns and see if there are any suitable treatments to the bladder.

As I have previously mentioned on this forum numerous times if you start passing lots of blood,clots and debris,get some help. My level of bladder damage is quite rare but that is probably why it wasn't recognised sooner.

Thanks Chris 

 

Yes you mentioned it Chris and I am sorry you have issues.

I have tried some meds but they didn't seem to help. Not that the bladder cramps (if that is what they are) are frequent, but yesterday I had to go into a pub to use their toilet because I was in pain. I don't like doing things such as that because it makes me feel old!

 

 

User
Posted 21 Apr 2023 at 18:01

So the fun and games continue.

 

I have been experiencing back pain at night, so had a pelvis and lower back MRI. The GP has called this afternoon sounding quite concerned.

 

The MRI says (amongst wear and tear type stuff) "Diffuse hyperintensity of the bone compartments sparing part of the L5 and the sacral bones are suspicious for diffuse metastatic infiltration of the spine".

 

Now, my PSA has fallen from 0.42 to 0.27

 

My last PSMA PET scan showed no sign of bone mets.

 

Is this likely to be something unconnected to PCa?

 

 

User
Posted 22 Apr 2023 at 10:46
Not the sort of message you want from your GP. Lots of guys on here has false alerts from MRI though so fingers crossed that is what this is.
User
Posted 22 Apr 2023 at 12:12

 

Since I posted this, the onco has called me. After work on Friday, which was good of him.

 

He said "I don't know what the scan shows, but it is not PCa. It is unheard of for PSA to be falling, with the numbers you have, and for there to be visible bone mets".

 

He also said the pain I am getting is not consistent with cancer, because it is intermittent and only at night.

 

I must say, this roller coaster ride is becoming a bit wearing. After my last PSA and consultation I was planning what to do with the rest of a life that probably was not going to be shortened by prostate cancer. I had sold of a lot of my business, because I didn't want to have to do it when I became ill. I was making plans for what to do next.

 

Then... "BANG! you've got bone mets in your spine". Then an hour later "Oh no you haven't".

 

I think I have coped well throughout it all so far. I hope I don't suddenly have some sort of crisis later.

 

 

 

Edited by member 22 Apr 2023 at 12:13  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 22 Apr 2023 at 16:25

Piers this really is a roller coaster ride for you! The good news is you got the next phone call to say about it not being bone mets…hopefully they can find out what it is for you though and get you sorted and feeling better.

We had similar in the early days of diagnosis. Rob was told of bone mets and lymph nodes, second opinion disagreed (not with node) PSMA pet scan confirmed second opinion….so he had the op. Emotions were all over the place though.

Now his psa is rising slightly and I’m thinking was the pet scan wrong 🤦🏻‍♀️ seems never ending.

A day, a test and a scan at a time. Keep going and being positive, you’re doing great 👍 

User
Posted 23 Apr 2023 at 04:23
Piers, is the oncologist going to look at your MRI scans just to confirm? I know that the pain is not consistent with mets and that it is very likely to be some benign cause but, despite the onco's confidence that it is unheard of, it is possible (very rare but possible nonetheless) for PSA to fall as the cancer spreads.

My father-in-law's PSA fell from 16 to 2.4 to 1.2 (without treatment) so no one realised it had spread to his kidneys and liver.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 31 May 2023 at 08:20

In response to my worsening back pain and an MRI showing "suspicious" stuff in my sacrum, my GP has requested a full body PET scan, but the onco wants another PSMA PET scan.

This suggests that either a PSMA PET scan will find cancers other than PCa or his MDT is not entirely confident that I don't have PCa.I have asked the onco, via his secretary, but the response was simply "that is what the MDT recommends".

The pain I am experiencing is mainly at night and it fits with sacroiliac pain. I have had problems in this area before, but never this bad or for so long. If it isn't something cancerous, is it possible that the radiotherapy has caused damage?

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Posted 31 May 2023 at 08:50

Piers, I am off to see a physiotherapist this morning for an assessment on my knee. I already have osteoarthritis of the hip and probably in the hands.

I am reasonably mobile but the joints do ache. The knee pain gets far worse when in bed and night , apparently there is a link between night pain and hormones.

My last PSMA pet scan a few weeks ago included the knees but nothing was detected,we know that doesn't mean there is nothing there. It did detect another pelvic lymph node tumor which is going to have SABR treatment.

Hope you get a solution soon.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 31 May 2023 at 09:05
A PSMA PET scan can also be a full body PET if that's what is asked for so you can have both on the same machine.
User
Posted 31 May 2023 at 09:23

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
A PSMA PET scan can also be a full body PET if that's what is asked for so you can have both on the same machine.

 

It may be that's what I get.

If I am honest, I am not entirely comfortable with the comms from the onco. He is very much of the "I know best" school of medicine and is reluctant to communicate outside of consultations. If I ask him a question in a consultation he is rather "ugh, you won't understand the answer. But in simple terms..."

When I was dealing with the surgeon, he was superb. I had his mobile number and email address. I never abused them, but if I had an occasional question I asked it. He responded in minutes usually, with a straightforward and practical answer.

 

 

 

 

User
Posted 31 May 2023 at 09:53

Piers, similar experience with surgeon and Onco. I asked the onco if the PSMA could include the knees,he said that was down to the radiologist. At the scan appointment the radiologist asked if I had any pains,when I replied in the knees he said ,okay we will include them, just to add my insurance company were picking up the bill for the scan.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 31 May 2023 at 10:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Piers, similar experience with surgeon and Onco. I asked the onco if the PSMA could include the knees,he said that was down to the radiologist. At the scan appointment the radiologist asked if I had any pains,when I replied in the knees he said ,okay we will include them, just to add my insurance company were picking up the bill for the scan.

Thanks Chris 

 

I think I know the radiographer at the place I am going (such is the joy of an extended period in the cancer care system!) and he is a decent chap. I will see if I can agree beforehand what we are doing and why.

 

 

User
Posted 23 Jun 2023 at 15:21

 

Further update:

 

A further PSMA PET scan found no spinal cancer. It found some other random stuff, as each previous scan has. I am sure that, if I have enough of them, one will eventually tell me I have female genitalia.

 

I have seen the onco again and very much hope it is the last time, for the obvious reason but also because he is the most obnoxious medic I have ever met - against some stiff competition! He told me that my GP doesn't know what he is doing and he said that my diagnosis and treatment are none of my concern. This, whilst not having read properly my notes and contradicting his own MDT!

 

My PSA has dropped from 0.27 to 0.18. I have left it with the onco that I won't contact him unless it doesn't drop below 0.1 or rises again later.

 

An aside, if anyone can give me any pointers please:

 

I have quite good erectile function, given that I have had a RP. If I use a band, my erections are as good as pre-surgery. However, because I am never QUITE happy I have started looking into solutions that don't require props or drugs.

 

I had a consultation with a surgeon this morning and he said that the surgery they used to use, splitting the main vein in the penis, is no longer recommended. Apparently it only lasts a couple of years before other veins grow to replace it (which is bad apparently). He has suggested shockwave therapy.

 

Does anyone have any information about the effectiveness of shockwave therapy or any other procedure that might allow me to have a more "natural" experience? Googling it seems to give some info, mainly practitioners, but any personal experience would be helpful.

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

User
Posted 05 Aug 2023 at 12:38

By way of an update.

 

My PSA is still not <0.1 but is falling.

 

Pre-EBRT my erectile function without "assistance" was eventually sometimes  around 80% of pre-RP. Immediately post-salvage EBRT there was no change. In the last month or so, however, there has been a bit of a drop off. I am 7-8 months post-EBRT and unassisted I struggle for 60-70%. I am into Viagra / band territory.

 

The EBRT team said that what I had two weeks after the course is what I would have long-term. However, I have read elsewhere that there can be a decline up to two years afterwards. Can anyone advise on this please?

 

In other news, I am trying shockwave therapy. This is supposed to promote blood flow, by encouraging the body to grow new blood vessels. I am half way through the course, but it can take several months before the full effect is evident. The physio says that I should go from 15/25 to 20 or 21/25, where 25 is a perfect erection. I will update things go along, in case it is of interest to anyone.

 

 

User
Posted 05 Aug 2023 at 15:01

The EBRT team said that what I had two weeks after the course is what I would have long-term

I've not heard of that before Piers. My ED at that point post SRT had gone backwards a bit but I think that was more to do with depleted libido due to the Bicalutimide. Now 9 months post SRT ED is as good as its been, probably even slightly better. But my understanding is that that erectile function can be affected after over a year are more from RT.

Incontinence is slightly worse that it was pre SRT.

User
Posted 05 Aug 2023 at 21:27

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
The EBRT team said that what I had two weeks after the course is what I would have long-term.

I've never heard this.

You want to be doing the maximum to exercise the penis. Try to get on the penile rehab dose of Tadalafil, which is 2 x 20mg/week. Hopefully that should enable you to get good erections on those two days and quite likely the following two or more days too Make sure you do get regular erections. It doesn't sound like you need a pump at the moment, and if you can get good erections (with Tadalafil if necessary), that's better than a pump. The Tadalafil also improves blood flow in the area when you don't have an erection, and the 2 x 20mg/week dose will give continuous dosing. (The 5mg daily low dose will also give continuous dosing, but you won't get the extra couple of boosts which may help to achieve better quality erections, although you might find you can do just as well with the 5mg daily low dose if offered that instead, and you can always save up a few day's worth to get a higher boost.)

User
Posted 13 Mar 2024 at 18:06

 

Hello everyone, I hope all is well.

Can anyone pass comment on my latest PSA readings please?

My PSA dropped a lot last time and is now back up significantly.

 

Radical Prostatectomy 13 November 2019 

21 Jan 2020 = 0.04 

20 April 2020 = 0.04 

24 July 2020 = 0.04 

10 November 2020 = 0.08 

15 December 2020 = 0.05 

16 March.2021 = 0.08 

15 June 2021 = 0.14 

22 June 2021 = 0.13 

15 September 2021 = 0.17 

10 December 2021 = 0.28 

17 March 2022 = 0.27 

9 June 2022 = 0.31 

06 September 2022 - 0.41 

22 December 2022 – 0.42 

Finished Salvage radiotherapy mid January 2023

11 March 2023 – 0.27 

2 June 2023 – 0.18 

13 September 2023 - 0.13 

14 December 2023 <0.03 

13 March 2024 0.11 

 

 

User
Posted 13 Mar 2024 at 20:57

Piers, it's frustrating.

If you look at my profile there is a list of my treatment and values. I never get a definite answer to why PSA results fluctuate.

I now just accept results for what there are. We have a plan if the next result is a rise. Fortunately still managing to dodge long term HT. I didn't have HT with SRT, did you?.

Fortunately things have progressed with scans and treatments for some of us. 

Hopefully it might just be a blip. 

 

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 13 Mar 2024 at 21:19

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Piers, it's frustrating.

If you look at my profile there is a list of my treatment and values. I never get a definite answer to why PSA results fluctuate.

I now just accept results for what there are. We have a plan if the next result is a rise. Fortunately still managing to dodge long term HT. I didn't have HT with SRT, did you?.

Fortunately things have progressed with scans and treatments for some of us. 

Hopefully it might just be a blip. 

 

Thanks Chris 

 

 

Hi Chris

No, no HT with the radio.

What I am trying to get my head around is the big drop of 0.1 and then a big rise of 0.08.

I was expecting a gradual fall and when I went from 0.13 to <0.03 I asked to speak to a doctor, because it was such a drop.

If I take out the penultimate reading from the data it looks something like what I would expect.

 

 

Edited by member 13 Mar 2024 at 21:20  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 13 Mar 2024 at 22:57

Piers, I take it all your tests are at the same lab. I had my bloods taken at , hospital,a regional health centre and occasionally at my doctor's, all three locations use the same hospital lab. I do now have all my bloods taken at the area health centre at roughly the same time of day.

Thanks Chris 

 

 
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