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Posted 02 Jan 2022 at 22:51

That sounds really good Gaz.

I’m hoping Rob won’t have his next HT injection, we will get a better indication then of how the surgery has gone and whether he’ll need RT

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Posted 02 Jan 2022 at 22:58

Yes let's hope he doesn't need the radiotherapy but I found it tolerable with very little side effects  not had many problems with hormone therapy either really just hope everything continues like that šŸ¤”

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Posted 03 Jan 2022 at 00:22

Glad things are improving and good luck with the TWOC

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Posted 03 Jan 2022 at 00:37

Elaine hope the TWOC goes well, due to ongoing issues and being catheterised on a dozen separate occasions I have had a dozen twocs and never failed. 

I always made sure I was well hydrated before getting to the hospital. Don't hold back on drinking water in the belief you will will leak less , far better to leak than have another catheter put in because he can't urinate. Listen to your nurses at the Twoc I was told to drink my water in a controlled manner and not drink the lot in one go.

Make sure he is relaxed and then relax a bit more, the removal is frequently described as wierd, I have never had a painful urethral catheter removal. Those first few urinations might be uncomfortable but for me it soon went back to normal. I did often pass a very small amount of blood at the start or finish of the stream, I also passed bits of scabs and debris for a few weeks after the twoc / op.

Following removal I had to pass two samples of 100mls before being scanned to ensure the bladder was draining properly.

A change of clothes in a bag, some pads, a cover for the car seat and a urine bottle is a good idea just in case. Leaking when standing up is often reported , hopefully he will soon learn to tense the pelvic floor muscles as he stands.

I hope his future recovery goes well.

Thanks Chris

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Posted 03 Jan 2022 at 20:26

Thanks Jeremy.

And thanks so much Chris for your post and all the advice, this is so useful to us and really appreciated. Will let you know how we get on tomorrow x

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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 15:25

Just an update…TWOC didn’t happen 😢 they scanned Robs bladder when he arrived and there is a very tiny leak so the decision was made to leave the catheter in. After speaking with the consultant since, this is precautionary as it all would possibly be ok but not worth the risk. We’re happy with that and would rather wait and be safer. He’s not been having too many problems with catheter and still haven’t had to use the instilagel yet so hopefully that will continue. We head home on Friday and then coming back to London to try again for TWOC on the 19th. So a slight setback, and I guess this is when logistical challenges face us….it’s just a 2 hour train ride though so not too bad.

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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 15:29
Sorry to hear that Elaine but definitely the right decision. I’m sure it will have healed by next time.
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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 15:38

Thanks Jeremy. Yes we would rather it have come out but not too down about it. Most important thing is that it will be ok šŸ‘šŸ½ 

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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 16:20

Better safe than sorry but I bet Rob was all geared up to being catheter free. Interesting that the hospital scanned Rob's bladder before removing the catheter, Addenbrookes certainly didn't scan mine before removal. The difference between NHS and private I guess.

 

Did the consultant comment on Rob's histology?

 

Ivan

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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 17:06

Hi Ivan,

Yes definitely would have been nice to be catheter free but he’s still fairly upbeat at the moment, just hopefully no problems with it when we go home.

We thought the scan was standard procedure but if most others don’t have it then maybe not. I think the main reason for it must have been the bladder neck reconstruction, it’s seems that it was a bit more complicated. Seems it just needs a little more time to make sure it is healed properly.

 

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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 17:22

With regards to histology Ivan, it seems things are as good as could be expected so we have to be happy with that.

It is encouraging that it was graded T2 instead of T3 as originally thought. His Gleason score has increased though from 3+4=7 to 4+5=9 not great if it turns out that there are remaining mets but will just have to deal with that if/when it happens. 

All the scans suggest that all the cancer has gone (which is a very long way from where we were 6 months ago when in Manchester they diagnosed him incurable) of course we’re not so naive to believe it’s always going to be that way but at this stage it’s the best we could hope for.

Rob will have PSA test in February but that isn’t going to mean too much either as he is still on HT. He will have had 6 months of prostap by that point but we are now cancelling his next injection which was due in Feb. So probably May/August tests will give us a better indication.

I’m sure we’re going to still get our bad days where we over think and worry but we’ve had a chat and decided to take things for what they are and what we know at his point. Let’s get on with life and deal with each PSA as they arrive. Although we know there is more chance of recurrence because of the lymph node involvement we’re not in too much of a different position to everyone else who has had this operation….I know most worry when 3 months comes around. 

As suspected with the ‘No lymphovascular invasion’ this can’t really be the case because of the lymph node involvement but it wasn’t detected on histology so we’ll take that as another positive.

How much HT has affected histology we don’t really know and maybe never will.

So all in all it’s good news….bet you’re sorry you asked šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

How are things with you? Is your continence still going well? Hope so x

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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 17:40

A good detailed report is always good, Elaine. And, as you have said, there are a number of positives to take away from your meeting with the consultant. And, as  already mentioned by Lyn, if all the cancer has been removed it doesn't matter what the Gleason score is.

I think Rob will find travelling 2 hours on a train with a catheter in will be a lot easier than travelling  that way when one has just been removed. As you know, I had absolutely no bladder control when my catheter was removed and my understanding is that is the same for everybody. I certainly recommend that when Rob does have his catheter removed that you pack  at least 4 pairs of incontinence pants. At first, wearing just  pads will be no use whatsoever.

 

Re my own situation, I am dry when sitting and laying down (I am obviously putting pressure on the bladder area) but leak when I get up and move around. At the moment I would say I am 70% continent. I have restarted my pelvic floor exercises so hopefully things will soon begin to improve. According to my specialist nurse, bladder control when undertaking pelvic floor exercises usually starts to improve 2 weeks or so after the catheter has been removed.

 

At the moment, although I think I could get away with wearing just my incontinence pants on a beach in Clacton I am not sure it would cut the mustard on a beach in Rio.

 

Have a good journey home

 

Ivan

 

Edited by member 05 Jan 2022 at 20:20  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 19:06

Elaine , sorry to hear the catheter removal didn't happen, at least you have an idea of some of the process.  As OhDear says the train journey after the TWOC may be a challenge. I have done the eight hour round trip for a ten minute appointment, not the best way to spend your day.

Hope it goes better next time, I am sure you don't need telling to keep him under control and not let him  go running any marathons šŸ˜€.

Keep us updated.

Thanks Chris

 

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Posted 05 Jan 2022 at 20:00
Like everything else with this darned disease, there is a postcode lottery. It is very common for an ultrasound scan to be undertaken at TWOC appointment but not universal.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 06 Jan 2022 at 15:57

Hi Ivan,

We’re going to stay here overnight when the catheter is removed. We didn’t fancy getting straight back on the train. I’m worried he’s going to be reluctant to drink too much to try to prevent accidents, but he will still need lots of fluid I assume to try and avoid inflection.

Sounds like things are going well for you. Hopefully it will continue to improve over the next few weeks. Rob did lots of pelvic floor exercises before the op but mainly sat down, we were only told a few days before the op that it’s really useful to do them while walking around aswell, so he may struggle when on the move too.

Keep us posted on your improvements and best of luck.

Elaine

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Posted 06 Jan 2022 at 16:03

Thanks Chris. Yes happy to wait to be honest….rather be safe than sorry and make sure everything has healed ok. Going to stay overnight after TWOC, it’s not ideal having to come back and travel home but hopefully I’ll prepare well and we’ll be ok. 

Heading home tomorrow so he wants to do a last walk along the Thames today….he really does think he can do more than he should so just having to reign him in šŸ˜‚

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Posted 06 Jan 2022 at 16:05

At the moment, although I think I could get away with wearing just my incontinence pants on a beach in Clacton I am not sure it would cut the mustard on a beach in Rio.

This really made me laugh Ivan 🤣🤣 I was just imaging Rob on any beach with his Tena pants on šŸ¤¦šŸ»‍ā™€ļøšŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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Posted 06 Jan 2022 at 17:38

 

Afternoon Elaine

Yes,  it is tempting to drink less to stop the leaking but I was told by the nurse that this is exactly the wrong thing to do. So, I am drinking the same 3 litres of water a day that I did when I had the catheter in. I understand that performing the pelvic floor exercise standing up is best as that  better strengthens the muscles. I was told to breathe in and then when breathing out to perform the technique. I was also told to vary how I positioned my feet and that I should sometimes undertake the exercise with my feet pointing away from my torso, sometimes with my feet pointing straight ahead and sometimes with my feet facing inwards. Apparently, this procedure strengthens  different parts of the pelvic floor. It was also suggested that I could perform those exercises when, for example, I was waiting for a lift, but I decided  not to do so as I was worried that if I did  I would be arrested for public indecency.

I think staying overnight in London when Rob has his catheter removed is a good idea as it will take him a while to get use to the idea that his urine is no longer collected in a nice little bag. It is a strange sensation not having full bladder control, but it does get better and is another step on the road to recovery

 

Ivan

 

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Posted 06 Jan 2022 at 22:36

Elaine.

I do agree with with OhDear about Keeping the water intake up. I was told less water can make the urine more concentrated and irritate the bladder.

I joined a zoom meeting last night  organized by Andy62. Victoria the physiotherapist, made a point that lying down to do PFEs was not the best position, all to do with gravity.

My work involved stopping in hotels a couple of nights a week. I was paranoid about wetting the bed. I put a pad in my snug pants, wore a pair of tena pants over the top had one of the hospital type water proof squares on the bed and also slept on a towel. As it turned out I never leaked.

I assume you can still book trains seats to be near a toilet. Don't forget some nappy sacks for the wet pads.

Hope the next trip is successful.

Thanks Chris

 

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Posted 07 Jan 2022 at 18:02

How long should one go on taking 3 liters water a day ?

Edited by member 07 Jan 2022 at 18:04  | Reason: Not specified

 
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