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Ordering a pump

User
Posted 19 Apr 2022 at 15:53

Prostate Cancer UK produce a leaflet called "Treating erectile dysfunction after surgery for pelvic cancers", with the sub heading "A quick guide for health professionals: supporting men with erectile dysfunction".

For Tablets (PDE5-Is) (sildenafil, tadalafil, vardenafil and avanafil) it says "Early initiation (after catheter removal or within 14 days) promotes early recovery and preservation of erectile function".

For a Vacuum Erection Device (pump) it says:

  • Early use (within one month after surgery) linked with better outcomes.
  • Can be initiated 4-8 weeks after surgery.

I had nerve sparing RARP on 22nd March and was told I will have a follow-up consultation about 6-7 weeks after the operation. I intend to use that to have a discussion about penile rehabilitation, but am concerned that I may then have to wait months to speak to an ED specialist.

It's not difficult to imagine a scenario where I have my follow-up consultation 2 months after the operation and then have to wait 2-3 months for an appointment to get help with penile rehabilitation.

That would mean 4-5 months with no medical input regarding ED, which seems contrary to the advice that penile rehabilitation should begin at an early stage ("use it or lose it" keeps being quoted).

I was going  to purchase a relatively cheap pump and use that to maintain penile health, but Steve2812's post above (28th March) shows he was being told to wait 5 months after surgery before using a pump.

Like Steve I am confused. I get the feeling that in an ideal world rehabilitation would begin as soon as possible, but in the real world it is tied to whenever your appointment is and that can mean significant delay, which in turn can impair recovery.

User
Posted 19 Apr 2022 at 16:09

Hi Paul

I totally agree with what you said and your concerns! I have spoken to the physio nurse today and she is going to email urology to see if they can speed up my ED appt as she feels that the 21st June (considering I am already 12 weeks post op now) is way too long away 

I do not understand it at all why I have to wait and PCUK specialist nurses are also saying that I should start with a pump now as well. Like you said…scary when it keeps coming up with the “use it or lose it” comments. 

Try pushing your urology dept for an appt sooner Paul? 

User
Posted 20 Apr 2022 at 14:31

If you do end up having to buy one yourself - like i did. Make sure you get it VAT free. As a cancer patient you are VAT exempt - One small bonus is suppose !!

User
Posted 25 May 2022 at 23:00

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

If you do end up having to buy one yourself - like i did. Make sure you get it VAT free. As a cancer patient you are VAT exempt - One small bonus is suppose !!

can I ask what you bought? My hubby is 9 weeks post op. Have asked GP today. We will see but need a plan B.

User
Posted 26 May 2022 at 09:32

Just to jump in.  I bought a battery operated pump - PRIMUSmed Vacuum Erection Aid System (no relation to this company, just what I bought).  There is a UK website that sells them for £265.  I am just using it as an "exercise" tool and it does the job very well.   I find the automatic system is handy because you can use it while doing something else like reading or watching TV in bed.  So far not tried it for sex as I haven't mustered up enough courage to attach the rubber ring in case I need to call the fire brigade to cut it off :-)

My consultant advised to start as soon as the catheter came out, so I've been using it twice a day from week 3.

Hope that helps.  

User
Posted 07 Jun 2022 at 14:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

If you do end up having to buy one yourself - like i did. Make sure you get it VAT free. As a cancer patient you are VAT exempt - One small bonus is suppose !!

can I ask what you bought? My hubby is 9 weeks post op. Have asked GP today. We will see but need a plan B.

Somaerect Response II

Took a bit of getting used to but now its fine - use it 2-3 times a week

For exercise only, as i havn't  been able to get the rings to work well enough to keep an erection for mre than a few minutes - even with the tightest one.

 

User
Posted 07 Jun 2022 at 18:23

Just an update - still waiting for the ED clinic to call me which is on the 20th June so will be able to update what is going on but urology support nurses are still telling me not to buy anything or try one till after I have spoken to them. 

This is amazing how different areas of the country advise different things. PCUK support said that masturbation is absolutely fine and even they are confused as to why so long to wait to speak to ED clinic considering it was the 24th January i had my RALP! 

the use or lose it phrase the keeps popping up is becoming a worry now 😢 I just want to make sure that I am giving myself the best chance of a recovery. The way it carries on, the life of a monk is a reality 😂 

User
Posted 20 Jun 2022 at 14:14

Well tomorrow after just shy of 6 months post RALP, I finally get my call from ED clinic! 

am hoping something positive comes from it. I’m not sure what to expect. My wife thinks they will just prescribe Viagra or something like that but am hoping to be able to get a pump. 

Am scared of the use it or lose it statement that I have heard many times so anything to help increase any feeling or erection will be a bonus. 

any advice what to ask the urology ED clinic tomorrow? 

User
Posted 20 Jun 2022 at 15:05
In many many cases the gold standard treatment is daily low dose Tadalafil 5mg if you can cope with it and side effects. Way better to have it daily than 20mg hits. A pump is an absolute must but your area may not provide one. If you want one for penetrative sex then you need a pro one like my soma erect response 2. If for exercise ( which is an absolute must ) then a simple love honey one will do. Whatever the outcome you deffo need a pump or he will not be useable later on !!!
User
Posted 20 Jun 2022 at 15:32

Thanks Chris. I’m on 5mg Cialis and have been since the catheter came out. No issues at all with side effects. 

Great advice with pumps. Let’s see what they say tomorrow so fingers crossed  

User
Posted 20 Jun 2022 at 15:42

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Soma-erect Response - NHS code 15019

The SomaErect Response II accounts for 80% of NHS prescriptions.

With the SomaERect Response II, if you intend to use it for sex (rather than just rehab), you should also order:
3 spare Surefit constriction rings - NHS code 15222

It only comes with 1, and you may need 2 to work. They have a life of about 40 uses.

The 3 spares are by default a small, a medium, and a large (and the pump comes with one medium). If you know what size you need, you can intercept the prescription and ask the pharmacy to note all 3 should be a specific size, but there's no separate order numbers for these - it's passed as a note to iMEDicare with the order.

I would strongly suggest you get booked on a pump clinic session too (usually an off-shoot of the ED clinic, but probably much shorter waiting list), where they show you how to use it. This doubles the chances of using it successfully at home afterwards.

Edited by member 20 Jun 2022 at 15:58  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 20 Jun 2022 at 15:54

Thanks Andy! Will ask about this tomorrow 

User
Posted 21 Jun 2022 at 15:34
We’re still in discussion with GP, seems to be a post code lottery depending on area as to whether available on NHS.
User
Posted 21 Jun 2022 at 15:52

Yes Jayne it is a lottery I’m afraid! 

So after having a call with ED clinic this morning (I am under Medway area) I was given a full explanation of primary treatment and then secondary treatment. So was given lots of options which was - 

primary treatment - 

Tadalafil 20mg to be used once a week only and stopping taking daily 5mg Cialis on the day of trying the new tablet and not taking one the day after. 

secondary options were - 

Injections into my penis and the risks involved, the seed applicator up my penis (although nothing available to order) or the soma pump which is available on NHS in my area. 

however, I was advised that the best option would be tablets and on a 4 month trial and if it doesn’t work, I can then take the pump. 

So have decided to use the cheap love honey pump for penile health and then see how it goes for 4 months with tablets! 

 
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