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Facing prostate surgery soon, worried!

User
Posted 19 Aug 2022 at 10:24

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I would imagine if I have my entire prostate removed I wouldn't be too different with someone who had radical prostatectomy.



I'm afraid I don't understand this comment at all. A radical prostatectomy IS "removal of the entire prostate". Nobody only has a portion of their prostate removed. Can you elaborate?

Thanks,

Chris

 

 

Chris, I didn't understand the comment until I reread Jimmy's first paragraph again.

"I am in my late 30's and in the near future I might have my prostate removed as part of the total pelvic exenteration surgery (due to cancer in the pelvis) and am told no nerves will be spared. In light of that I have the following questions as I am quite worried:"

I don't think he has cancer in the prostate, and his surgeon doesn't know what he is to remove or leave until he gets in there.

Thanks Chris 

 

 

 

User
Posted 20 Aug 2022 at 02:06
I do not have cancer inside the prostate. I have cancer outside in the pelvis that is very near to the prostate and therefore if my prostate goes I don't see whats the difference with RP. Also I have been told of the possibility of cutting only a small part of the prostate, the bit that the tumour is in contact with.

I am uncertain about injections as the needle I saw in that video is not small at all however if they do give you erections that feel more or less natural I might prefer it than using pumps, self cathetering myself and implants.

User
Posted 20 Aug 2022 at 20:08
If its of any use I've been using a pump since my radical prostatectomy and have been quite impressed with the results as has my other half. If used with the rings, an erection can be achieved quite quickly and you can keep the rings on for up to half an hour so plenty of time for fun. I have to say I wasn't looking forward to post op sex life but it's actually been a pleasant surprise!
User
Posted 21 Aug 2022 at 01:59

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
If its of any use I've been using a pump since my radical prostatectomy and have been quite impressed with the results as has my other half. If used with the rings, an erection can be achieved quite quickly and you can keep the rings on for up to half an hour so plenty of time for fun. I have to say I wasn't looking forward to post op sex life but it's actually been a pleasant surprise!


How natural does the erection feel? if it is not that natural does it begin to feel "fine" after one gets used to it?

Isn't the head of your penis less sensitive with the ring and doesn't that take away a significant amount of the pleasure you receive during and at the point of climax?

Edited by member 21 Aug 2022 at 04:13  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 21 Aug 2022 at 07:10
Remarkably using constriction rings doesn't seem to reduce sensetivity - just don't leave them on to long or your dick will actually drop off!

Regarding how natural it feels well that's a different story. The hinge effect isn't great and the "erection" won't get stronger as you get more excited so that can lead to frustration. But with practice it can work. Personally I found the intrusion (first time I tried my new girl friend nearly ran off screaming) a bit difficult but in an established loving relationship I can see it being a life saver.

Caverject worked best for me until I found the love of my life. Once I was in a stable loving relationship I found I no longer needed the heavy duty erection kit as enough natural ability remained. I realise not all prostate cancer treatment survivors are as lucky as me but there are many guys on here who one way or another are "getting it on" successfully...

User
Posted 28 Aug 2022 at 17:19

Feeling for you. This is a big loss. What I can offer:

1. The nerves for sexual sensation and stimulation of the penis are not the same as those that control erectile function. Even when I had complete ED from prostate surgery I could still get good sensation and able to have (dry) orgasms while completely flaccid. Many other men I know have the same experience. You should ask if there is any risk to the "pleasure nerves" that go to your glans and frenulum.

2. The one letter from your consultant makes an important distinction about vacuum pumps (VED). One purpose is to keep natural erectile tissues alive while nerves regenerate, and I understand he is not offering you a lot of hope there. The other purpose he refers to is to use the pump to create an erection capable of penetration - this works, and I can vouch for it. At first I just tried it solo, it was really nice to get my old friend back, full and hard. Later I was able to use it for intercourse with my partner. It needs a really tight cock ring to keep the hardness while thrusting. 

Both of these are "technical" opportunities to remain sexual without those erectile nerves in addition to the injections and implants you are considering. Whatever options you choose and explore, the big thing I urge you to do is to remain clear that you are and can  be a sexual being regardless of your erectile function. 

For me, ED made me and my partner more inventive sexually - solo and together.

User
Posted 13 Sep 2022 at 11:56

One thing that is not quite clear to me though. Assuming no nerves can be saved is there still a point for daily use of the pump in the context that natural erections will never return?

Right now due to my age, and depending on my psychology, sexual urges do come often. I cannot imagine not being able to achieve an erection. Do I need to learn to ignore them? Doesn't that "frustrate" a male and creates a level of psychological tension/depression? I have already lost my ejaculation due to a previous surgery which takes some mental management in itself.

I am scared about the quality of my daily life given my life circumstances. I am not in a relationship and getting into one is going to be a tall order with all this. It would have been a lot different if I was already in one when all this started unfolding. I am now facing a potentially disastrous existence where I will survive cancer but evaporate from licking daily my unhealable wounds. How do you say to a girl you just met and you like "Hey, am a pretty good guy but I have two ostomy bags, I can't really have spontaneous sex without planning and "interventions". I also can't easily have children either unless they dig in to my testicles hoping to find viable sperm".  

Nightmares and a lot of emotional loneliness awaits.

User
Posted 13 Sep 2022 at 14:56

JimmyChoo, I would recommend the adage "never say never." Nobody fully understands the myriad pathways your recovery might take. If your worst case emerges and you never get a natural erection again, I personally would advocate the use of the pump for two purposes (a) all kinds of sexual pleasure, both alone and with a partner and (b) to keep the spark alive - as you allude to, there is no need for those sexual urges to stop. Mine certainly haven't even though my erections are few and far between. And while I am lucky to have a supportive partner, we have both adapted to new ways of being sexual together. And I still get upset and confused when I am aroused and limp, or fade away at the critical moment, two and half years after treatment.

Is it frightening, frustrating and emotionally challenging? You bet it is. As a man, probably the biggest  combined physical/emotional challenge I have experienced in my 64 years on this earth. Looking back, I have learned a lot about coping with things not going the way I want them to go, and still choosing to enjoy my life including my sexuality.

About being single and dating, here's a great resource from a wonderful single man who says his partners actually really like being able to "dial up" the hardness and size of his erections using the pump. And he is not alone in reporting this - just that he has taken the time to write extensively about what it is like getting over those edges you anticipate, like telling a potential new partner about your non-standard-issue male body. Visit this blog for honest, practical stories of prostate cancer and the single man  https://edysfn1.wixsite.com/prostateadventures 

User
Posted 13 Sep 2022 at 16:00

I had 37 fractions off radiotherapy and on hormone therapy soon discovered my sex life was over  things are ok psa steady at 0.01 for nearly two years don't know if things will change when I soon come off hormone therapy if things will improve or not but I have got used to being without but don't hold much hope off things getting better good luck to anyone in the same situation 👍

User
Posted 13 Sep 2022 at 16:17

Jimmy, yes get and use a pump for rehabilitation and self pleasure. Simple masturbation will also help. Yes having a partner probably does make recovery easier. 

My reply to you a bit further up this post covers some of your concerns.There are guys on here who have had failed relationships and gone on to have sexual activity with there new found partners.

Never give up.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 01 Oct 2022 at 16:04

After my latest appointment it has now become clearer to me that I will be having this surgery later this year.

I am very anxious of the very lonely life that awaits me post surgery. Finding a desirable/age suitable partner for someone in his late 30's will become a near impossibility unless I drop my standards a lot and begin to have no problem with dating someone 45+ along with not caring about their looks.

Before my health issues begun I had issues finding someone age appropriate because I had no desire for a family/kids and many girls of the age range I wanted had a big issue with this. I cannot imagine how difficult its going to be to find someone in the near future post surgery. I do not think I have the emotional stamina to go out and be rejected/ghosted a ton of times before I find someone. Find someone good looking? young? healthy? Unlikely..... To the advice that I recently received elsewhere "date someone within the cancer/stoma community as they are more likely to go along" the answer is no. I have my health problems/disabilities to worry about, I don't want to have to worry about my partners too. It is too much for me.

One question has arisen though. I see people using pumps when they are about to have sex and I don't understand why if injections work so well? You run to the bathroom, have your injection, and come out and all will look like normal. Why bother with a pump at all at that moment?

Lastly, I read that Caverject requires no stimulation to work but Invicorp does need sexual arousal. Are both statements true? I thought both of these drugs required no stimulation to work.

The way I have structured things in my mind is that if injections work then sex will be largely a non issue for me and my future partner and unusual/awkward moments of someone pulling out a pump will be avoided.  If this is true I can sort of relax knowing that having a colostomy and a urostomy is "on me" to look after and take care of plus I can also cover them with a special belt and they cannot be  noticed and cause grossed out feelings. Provided I manage my stomas disability and it only directly affects me and no one else then I should be OK on this front. If the penis doesn't work though then this is no longer "my problem" as it can also directly affect others.



User
Posted 02 Oct 2022 at 13:11
Injections work whether you feel randy or not - caverject and invicorp are the same in this regard. Injections don't work for everyone though so some men will use a pump and restriction rings for penetrative sex. It is not safe to pump and use the injection at the same time
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 02 Oct 2022 at 14:29

I was under the impression that injections work for all. Do we have any statistics for how many people injections work? I will be even more devastated if even injections won't work for me. Disaster :(

User
Posted 02 Oct 2022 at 18:28
The injections work consistently for about 60% of men, and another 20% or so find the injections work sometimes. In our house, caverject worked about once in every 3 attempts - invicorp probably works 3 out of every 4 times for us. None of the usual injections worked for my dad so he has a super-strength version of caverject.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 02 Oct 2022 at 20:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
The injections work consistently for about 60% of men, and another 20% or so find the injections work sometimes. In our house, caverject worked about once in every 3 attempts - invicorp probably works 3 out of every 4 times for us. None of the usual injections worked for my dad so he has a super-strength version of caverject.


Thanks for that info Lyn.

Does the 60% apply to those with no nerve sparing?

User
Posted 02 Oct 2022 at 22:55
I don't think that data has ever been published but whether or not the man has had nerve sparing should be unrelated as nerves are not needed for the injections to work. I can think of a member who had full nerve sparing but injections, tablets, cream and pump have never worked for him
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 04 Oct 2022 at 13:46

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I don't think that data has ever been published but whether or not the man has had nerve sparing should be unrelated as nerves are not needed for the injections to work. I can think of a member who had full nerve sparing but injections, tablets, cream and pump have never worked for him


Would you have an idea on why injections don't seem to work for some people? Provided you are careful with them and stay within your 3 times a week limit, would you say they are safe to be used till you are old?

User
Posted 04 Oct 2022 at 14:12

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I can think of a member who had full nerve sparing but injections, tablets, cream and pump have never worked for him

Interesting. I was under the impression that a pump and constriction rings were a simple matter of physics - letting blood flow into the penis but not out again - and so would work for anyone!

Chris

 

User
Posted 04 Oct 2022 at 16:09

Some conditions such as venous leaking mean that the blood doesn't stay in the penis and so injections are less effective.  There is also the risk of scarring from certain injections over time which can reduce their effectiveness.  Apparently this is less so with Caverject although many people get some level of pain with this.  If injections don't work or become too onerous there is the option to get an implant which some folks have got.  There is a good book on how to save your sex life after prostate cancer by Dr Mulhall which I found useful to explain the various options.

I had a prostatectomy at the end of April and have a pretty good sex life using Caverject.  It took a bit of persevering and dialling in the dose but it works pretty well.  Although have just gone on hormone therapy so will have to see how we get on with that. 

User
Posted 04 Oct 2022 at 16:40

Hi Jimmy. From what you say I assume you are DMAB. The surgery you describe sounds quite specialist and complex. It may be worth putting your concerns and questions to a further specialist and more extensive organisation. Macmillan have some [reasonably] good info on the proceedure and may be able to point you at specialist sources of information. I also notice, however, that most of the information regarding this procedure seem to focus on people who are DFAB, so appreciate you may have faced some frustration in that regard. None of this takes away from the help and support provided here and for myself I appreciate you raising such a difficult and complicated topic.

 
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