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Posted 12 Mar 2021 at 15:04
My immunisation card for travelling to Gambia includes spaces for each vaccine / booster and the little sticker is taken off the vial or packet and stuck onto the card. The nurse then prints her name, write the name of the vaccine / med, the date & her signature.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 12 Mar 2021 at 22:07

The 'MyGP' app is going to have a feature called 'myGP TICKet'.   An official note from your GP of your vaccine status.   

I've just registered an interest.  Presumably that's a vaccine passport in the UK at least.  See below;

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myGP TICKet

Coming soon, myGP will be launching a new feature within our app – the myGP TICKet – which will enable the public to provide simple, clear, assured proof of their vaccination protection status, wherever and whenever they may need to.

Download today to be the first to get access.

COMING SOON

Your TICKet back to ‘normal’

How will it work?

myGP already provides its users with secure access to their own medical records. What myGP TICKet does is isolate the code within an individual’s medical record that denotes a current, complete vaccination for COVID-19. We then add 12 days to the date of your second dose (this is the universal wait time that has been recommended by our medical advisors) and display a shiny green TICK mark next to your profile photo once you have met both criteria

The tick appears only upon request, and will disappear when you close the app.

You can read our media release about this initiative.

Got questions?

Well we’ve got answers. Check out our extensive FAQs.

 

Here's a link to more

https://www.mygp.com/mygp-to-launch-englands-first-digital-covid-19-vaccination-verification-feature-for-smartphones/

 

Are you a business who wants to get involved?
We’d love to hear from you

Contact us on mygpticket@mygp.com and we will be sure to get back to you about how we can support you in getting back to normal.

For all press enquiries contact:
mygpticket@mygp.com

Edited by moderator 06 Jul 2023 at 11:31  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 00:09

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Peter what have your doctors said. My understanding is that PCa alone doesn’t compromise the immune system. If that was the case we would all have had shielding letters as a poor immune system makes you vulnerable

My response was to the mere act of having cancer. I've had cancer twice. Both times it's been cut out and so far (touch head) there has been no recurrence. On that basis I've been told I'm not at any more risk than the general populace. I asked this specific question to the specialists on both cancers and they gave the same answer.

User
Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 00:35
My GP's surgery uses an app called "Airmid". Hopefully all these apps will eventually have a way of showing a verified vaccination status.

Chris

User
Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 09:22
App based 'passports' are only of use to those who have smartphones. What is wrong with that little card they give you when you get the vaccination?

Whatever, personally I think the idea of a vaccine passport is the craziest idea yet in this year of increasingly more control measures. Since the vaccine only protects you and does not stop you catching or spreading it its only purpose is making more ropes to go through to lead our normal lives.

I have had my first AZ jab, fortunately with no side effects, but am increasingly hesitant to go for my second one in May due to the increasing reports of nasties from it. Others among you may be happy to take the risk, your choice.

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Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 10:50

Completely agree Davews. In every respect these jabs cannot be called vaccines. It normally takes around ten years for a real vaccine to come to market. These Covid ones have taken less than a year. It seems to me there is no way they have been tested properly. People are being treated as guinea pigs by the powers that be.

   There is no way me or my wife will take them.

User
Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 13:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Completely agree Davews. In every respect these jabs cannot be called vaccines. It normally takes around ten years for a real vaccine to come to market. These Covid ones have taken less than a year. It seems to me there is no way they have been tested properly. People are being treated as guinea pigs by the powers that be.

   There is no way me or my wife will take them.

The UK’s independent medical regulator, the MHRA, says that both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines went through the full clinical trial process. It was accelerated by running the trial phases in parallel and there were no shortcuts. I have every reason to trust the professionals in the field, so I am happy to be vaccinated. Of course vaccination is a free choice, but one does have to accept that a decision not to be vaccinated is likely to have consequences in terms of the ability to both travel internationally and attend large-scale events in the UK.

Chris

 

 

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User
Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 16:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Completely agree Davews. In every respect these jabs cannot be called vaccines. It normally takes around ten years for a real vaccine to come to market. These Covid ones have taken less than a year. It seems to me there is no way they have been tested properly. People are being treated as guinea pigs by the powers that be.

   There is no way me or my wife will take them.

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They have been working for years on similar vaccines which has helped to speed up its development plus the govt financially invested into its development. Of course they have been tested and gone through the proper regulatory processes. Your choice not to have it but base your choice on reliable information not the garbage and false information that is being shared on social media platforms

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User
Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 20:16

Actually I don't do social media I much prefer to do my own research. You can believe the Government line if you want to, I prefer not to.

    Chris: I don't think wishing to travel again is a good reason to risk your health on these ' vaccines '.

       Bill

User
Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 21:16
The MHRA are not "the government"; they are an independent regulatory body.

I am not an epidemiologist nor am I qualified in public health, so I leave such decisions to those who are.

Cheers,

Chris

User
Posted 13 Mar 2021 at 21:25

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Actually I don't do social media.. 

Oh yes you do. 

Dave

User
Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 01:05

I'm going for my jab today. Am I worried? NO.

The 10 year delay in bringing most drugs to the market is caused by bureaucracy. Quite reasonable bureaucracy in most cases, making sure the funding is being spent wisely, reading through all the trial results (whilst also reading the trial results for a thousand other drugs for things like cancer), obtaining the planning permission to build the factory, making sure the local electricity substation can provide power for the new factory machinery... the list goes on. Well when you are dealing with a pandemic, you don't waste time making sure the funding is correct, you accept that you will over spend. You don't waste time reading trial results for cancer drugs they can wait, we have a pandemic to fight! Planning permission? We have a pandemic to fight! Just build another electricity substation, we have a pandemic to fight!

So that's why we got the vaccines in less than a year.

Are they safe? Yes or at least as safe as any other medicine.

What about long term side effects? Well who knows. I was taking zantac for years then it got withdrawn because it can give you cancer. You only know the long term side effects after people have been taking it for years, but we need to stop covid killing people today. 

Am I taking this vaccine for my own health? No. I think the chances of me getting Covid are very high, but the chances of me at 56 in otherwise good health suffering serious harm from it are minimal.

So why am I having it? Because Covid kills about 1 in a hundred people, and whilst it is doing that it is jamming up the NHS so more people are dieing of cancer and heart disease. Lockdowns are also destroying the economy and people's mental health. Maybe lockdowns are a bad idea, but hospitals with people dying on trolleys are not a vote winner, so lockdowns are here until the pandemic is over. So I am having a vaccine so we get closer to heard immunity, and even if they don't get us near herd immunity they will stop me potentially filling up a hospital bed which would be better given to someone with cancer. Then we can stop having lockdowns and get back to going to the pub and drinking beer.

I don't care whether other people have the vaccine that is their choice, but I'm prepared to have it myself so that we can all benefit. 

Edited by member 17 Mar 2021 at 01:15  | Reason: Shame the moderator removed the profanity which I had already asterisked out. It added humour.

Dave

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Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 05:25

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
The MHRA are not "the government"; they are an independent regulatory body.

I am not an epidemiologist nor am I qualified in public health, so I leave such decisions to those who are.

Cheers,

Chris

The MHRA are a government body. In their own words. 'We are an executive agency, part of the Dept of Health and Social Care'

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User
Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 09:37

As it's own site says, MHRA is an executive agency.

An executive agency is a part of a government department that is treated as managerially and budgetarily separate, to carry out some part of the executive functions of the United Kingdom government...

So yes it is part of government. Its purpose is to regulate medicines, medical devices and blood components for transfusion in the UK.

While my opinion of politicians is quite low, my opinion of scientists and medics is rather higher. I feel pretty certain that they would not foist anything on the public with known defects. Of course, there could be possible long term effects, but balancing those against the effects of covid (which, even assuming you survive the virus, has known long term effects) there is only one sensible conclusion. I say this not as a medical expert, but as someone trained in risk assessment.

User
Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 10:35

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

As it's own site says, MHRA is an executive agency.

An executive agency is a part of a government department that is treated as managerially and budgetarily separate, to carry out some part of the executive functions of the United Kingdom government...

So yes it is part of government. Its purpose is to regulate medicines, medical devices and blood components for transfusion in the UK.

While my opinion of politicians is quite low, my opinion of scientists and medics is rather higher. I feel pretty certain that they would not foist anything on the public with known defects. Of course, there could be possible long term effects, but balancing those against the effects of covid (which, even assuming you survive the virus, has known long term effects) there is only one sensible conclusion. I say this not as a medical expert, but as someone trained in risk assessment.

A year ago I would have totally agreed with you Peter. However my faith in the leadership of the medical profession has been severely shaken over this Covid period.

   I am currently undergoing treatment for my prostate cancer and have nothing but kind words for the doctors and nurses treating me. Until a lot more is known about the affects of the jabs I won't be taking them.

     Bill

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Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 10:35

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
For yellow fever if you are dumb enough to falsify a cert you will only kill yourself.

For Covid if you do it AND carry the infection you put the lives of 0.1% of the unvaccinated population at risk.

Whilst stats can often be used to prove any scenario that may be a desired outcome, last time I looked at the figures, around the mid 80s% was the forecast effectiveness out in the wider world, as opposed to small scale trials. By my reckoning that would leave around 15 out of every 100 people that the vaccine would not have the desired effect on. It is clearly not a golden bullet, particularly given the lack of data on trials for those with compromised immune systems (the cynic in me might say that subgroup were not considered suitable as it would result in a lower overall efficacy rate and perhaps less income for pharma).

That said, anyone that fancies being one of the 15% that will be more susceptible to C19, rather the the 85% that should be less susceptible, clearly likes a gamble at long odds.

Had our jabs a few weeks ago, no side effects to report. Just everyone bear in mind, the need to still practice the "mantra" of hands, face and space will be going on for some time yet. The amount of the general public that don't seem to give a monkeys about safe distancing, or wearing a mask in enclosed areas, even after all the publicity, is quite frankly astounding!! 

Never underestimate the stupidity of the Great British Public!!

Good luck to everyone coping with the insidious big C

User
Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 11:17
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A year ago I would have totally agreed with you Peter. However my faith in the leadership of the medical profession has been severely shaken over this Covid period.

   I am currently undergoing treatment for my prostate cancer and have nothing but kind words for the doctors and nurses treating me. Until a lot more is known about the affects of the jabs I won't be taking them.

     Bill

Bill when you refer to the leadership. If you meet Matt H I totally agree with you. But you need some faith in the brilliant scientists who’ve developed the vaccine and also people such as Chris W. If you value the NHS staff as you say you do listen to what they are saying 

User
Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 13:21
To my mind when it comes to balancing the known and significant dangers of COVID (which leaves 10% of people who catch it with long-term problems) against the unknown but certainly tiny risks of being vaccinated there’s absolutely no contest. Almost 24m people now vaccinated in the UK and a vanishingly small number of significant side-effects. There’s also, in my view, a question of social responsibility here: by being vaccinated you’re not only protecting yourself but you’re also protecting others, some of whom can’t be vaccinated.

Chris

User
Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 16:21

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
My GP's surgery uses an app called "Airmid". Hopefully all these apps will eventually have a way of showing a verified vaccination status.

Chris

It's surprising to read that there is more than one GP app.  When I posted above I thought every GP was using MyGP.  If there are too many apps it will make checking validity and creating common interfaces much more difficult.

It seems there are enough having the vaccine to create a form of herd immunity except, it seems, in some areas of some cities where special efforts are being made.   That after one dose it's now very unlikely I'll end up in hospital or on a ventilator is good enough for me, touch wood.  Like all else in life, nothing is certain, you can only reduce the odds.

Peter

 

 

User
Posted 14 Mar 2021 at 16:55
"Airmid" is the app associated with the online system my GP uses, which is provided by a company called "TPP". According to their blurb it's used by 7000 NHS organisations including 2600 GP's surgeries.

Cheers,

Chris

 
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