I'm going for my jab today. Am I worried? NO.
The 10 year delay in bringing most drugs to the market is caused by bureaucracy. Quite reasonable bureaucracy in most cases, making sure the funding is being spent wisely, reading through all the trial results (whilst also reading the trial results for a thousand other drugs for things like cancer), obtaining the planning permission to build the factory, making sure the local electricity substation can provide power for the new factory machinery... the list goes on. Well when you are dealing with a pandemic, you don't waste time making sure the funding is correct, you accept that you will over spend. You don't waste time reading trial results for cancer drugs they can wait, we have a pandemic to fight! Planning permission? We have a pandemic to fight! Just build another electricity substation, we have a pandemic to fight!
So that's why we got the vaccines in less than a year.
Are they safe? Yes or at least as safe as any other medicine.
What about long term side effects? Well who knows. I was taking zantac for years then it got withdrawn because it can give you cancer. You only know the long term side effects after people have been taking it for years, but we need to stop covid killing people today.
Am I taking this vaccine for my own health? No. I think the chances of me getting Covid are very high, but the chances of me at 56 in otherwise good health suffering serious harm from it are minimal.
So why am I having it? Because Covid kills about 1 in a hundred people, and whilst it is doing that it is jamming up the NHS so more people are dieing of cancer and heart disease. Lockdowns are also destroying the economy and people's mental health. Maybe lockdowns are a bad idea, but hospitals with people dying on trolleys are not a vote winner, so lockdowns are here until the pandemic is over. So I am having a vaccine so we get closer to heard immunity, and even if they don't get us near herd immunity they will stop me potentially filling up a hospital bed which would be better given to someone with cancer. Then we can stop having lockdowns and get back to going to the pub and drinking beer.
I don't care whether other people have the vaccine that is their choice, but I'm prepared to have it myself so that we can all benefit.
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Yup..
I have had one Pfizer antiviral and discussed this with oncology consultant on Monday, she said “There is no evidence to show adverse affects on cancer patients not undergoing chemo”, it is recommended you have both shots of any antiviral. “Chemotherapy patients have to individually evaluated to see if it fits within their treatment”.
There is a lot of bulls#it about vaccines, the Russians are definitely exploiting any cases issues with non Russian Sputnik V antivirals; and pushing “hard sell” on their vaccine. The Sputnik V vaccine has no believable human staged trials data whatsoever on its development or side effects; and they are pushing hard to get foreign governments to adopt Sputnik V.
One RFEL article earlier suggested the entire Sputnik V development team all got Covid like lung infections FROM the early stage antiviral administered to the team..(Other reports suggest hospital staff are still getting covid after their SV shots)
The polio and smallpox vaccines Russia provided in the 80’s were ineffective and according to some reports so diluted they were just saline.
The EU wants to ban exports to the U.K. of a lifesaving antiviral that countries within the EU are not using, would have been the same if no Brexit.
Being lumbered with P.C is bad enough without all the extra covid stuff, let’s trust the advice we are given as it could very well keep us alive?
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just seen this on the news which seems concerning. It doesn’t go into much detail eg were the people in the study on active treatment that suppresses the immune system etc or are they referring also to people who have cancer with no current treatment
Ive had the Pfizer vaccine so I do find this worrying
https://apple.news/At1ZtKq5wSKKy3zpoUNdSJQ
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Chris I’m not sure you’ve read it right. The 13% related to people on the trial with blood cancers and the 39% to people on the trial with solid cancer. You have Prostate cancer which will be a solid cancer. But as I’ve said earlier I think this study relates to people on certain treatments that suppress the immune system so hopefully you and I will be protected
Take care
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Completely agree Davews. In every respect these jabs cannot be called vaccines. It normally takes around ten years for a real vaccine to come to market. These Covid ones have taken less than a year. It seems to me there is no way they have been tested properly. People are being treated as guinea pigs by the powers that be.
There is no way me or my wife will take them.
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Hi Chris J, I had exactly the same problem with access denied to documents, it happened nearly a year ago. I must admit I have not chased it up as nothing much is happening to me at the moment. Just letting you know you are not alone.
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I had Pfizer too. With mets like mine in bone and lymph it’s only 13 to 39% effective. Oh well I should be bumped up the list again.
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I saw this too. Very concerning. I had the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine but I would think the same issues arise.
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Chris there is little info but I am wondering if this applies to people on treatment such as chemo or steroids which suppresses the immune system ie those who will have been previously contacted to shield
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No idea. As replied to Chris it may be referring to people on specific treatments. Plus it was a very small study. Now left wondering if I should contact the GP or not to arrange my 2nd Jab
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It is worrying Bri but at the end of the day I’ve luckily not caught it in over a year , and even working in a school , just by following the guidelines properly!
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Chris I’m not sure you’ve read it right. The 13% related to people on the trial with blood cancers and the 39% to people on the trial with solid cancer. You have Prostate cancer which will be a solid cancer. But as I’ve said earlier I think this study relates to people on certain treatments that suppress the immune system so hopefully you and I will be protected
Take care
Bri
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I'm sure that this must apply to people on treatments like chemo which suppress the immune system. The mere fact of having cancer doesn't damage the immune system, does it?
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Not according to my doctors.
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Peter what have your doctors said. My understanding is that PCa alone doesn’t compromise the immune system. If that was the case we would all have had shielding letters as a poor immune system makes you vulnerable
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My GP, not oncologist, said a while ago (maybe 9months) that my cancer doesn't mean I'm more at risk etc (I was sort of forced to ask by wife&daughter etc), if I was still on steroids it would be different so I 'guess' it depends on whether currently on treatment. I finished treatment 30months ago.
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I asked my GP if I was on the "vulnerable" list, and he said "yes", but that was because I only have one kidney, not because of cancer!
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I’ve just read some scientific reviews about the ‘trial’ and it appears they are concerned about the time in delay between jabs that could leave cancer patients vulnerable. They haven’t tested efficacy after a 2nd dose at 12 weeks.
However, one of the scientists did comment on cancer patients saying “... We know that the immune system within cancer patients is compromised as compared to healthy controls”.
If this is true why wasn’t I told to shield??
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And in news today use of Astra vaccination is being curtailed or suspended in a few countries due to several recipients having blood clots after it. It didn't mention if patients having cancer treatment were at greater risk.
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30 patients out of 5 million who all had their injection from the same batch. None of the 30 were in the UK.
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Originally Posted by: Online Community MemberI’ve just read some scientific reviews about the ‘trial’ and it appears they are concerned about the time in delay between jabs that could leave cancer patients vulnerable. They haven’t tested efficacy after a 2nd dose at 12 weeks.
However, one of the scientists did comment on cancer patients saying “... We know that the immune system within cancer patients is compromised as compared to healthy controls”.
If this is true why wasn’t I told to shield??
Are you on chemo? I get the impression that they're generalising a bit more than perhaps they should be with those kinds of comments.
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I suspect that reports of any inevitable adverse reactions to either vaccine are being suppressed here in Britain, so as not to upset the roll-out.
I have just watched the news on Russia Today, who are reporting all kinds of problems in Europe with both the Pfizer Biontech and Oxford / Astra Zeneca jabs. Clearly they have an agenda to promote the Russian Sputnik V vaccine (I’m old enough to remember Sputnik I in 1957...)
In an unscientific sample, I had the Oxford / Astra Zeneca jab with no reaction, Her Loveliness had the Pfizer shot with a sore arm the next morning.
We can’t wait to get our vaccine passports and get travelling again. We have had a Yellow Fever vaccination certificate for years. What’s the problem? The government are saying they are looking into it. You won’t be flying anywhere without one!
When I take Herman the German to the vet’s, they inoculate him and put a sticker with the batch number off the vaccine vial onto his pet passport, the vet signs it and it’s stamped as official.
We have been given a business card with a scribbled ‘Pfizer’, which if it was more substantial, with batch number stickers on, ‘doggy style’, that would have sufficed as a vaccine passport.
The government have commissioned three research groups @ £75 grand a pop to look into the kind of solution I have just described.
Cheers, John.
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Either a slightly faulty batch - or they were going to have blood clots, anyway.....
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EU medical regulator says that the incidence of blood clots among vaccinated people is the same as that of the general population. No evidence to suggest that being vaccinated can cause blood clots.
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Originally Posted by: Online Community MemberI suspect that reports of any inevitable adverse reactions to either vaccine are being suppressed here in Britain, so as not to upset the roll-out.
I have just watched the news on Russia Today, who are reporting all kinds of problems in Europe with both the Pfizer Biontech and Oxford / Astra Zeneca jabs. Clearly they have an agenda to promote the Russian Sputnik V vaccine (I’m old enough to remember Sputnik I in 1957...)
In an unscientific sample, I had the Oxford / Astra Zeneca jab with no reaction, Her Loveliness had the Pfizer shot with a sore arm the next morning.
We can’t wait to get our vaccine passports and get travelling again. We have had a Yellow Fever vaccination certificate for years. What’s the problem? The government are saying they are looking into it. You won’t be flying anywhere without one!
When I take Herman the German to the vet’s, they inoculate him and put a sticker with the batch number off the vaccine vial onto his pet passport, the vet signs it and it’s stamped as official.
We have been given a business card with a scribbled ‘Pfizer’, which if it was more substantial, with batch number stickers on, ‘doggy style’, that would have sufficed as a vaccine passport.
The government have commissioned three research groups @ £75 grand a pop to look into the kind of solution I have just described.
Cheers, John.
Send me your address and £1000 and I will send you a stamped vaccine certificate of your choice.
Seriously vaccine certs need to be verifiable and tied to an individual to have any meaning.
For yellow fever if you are dumb enough to falsify a cert you will only kill yourself.
For Covid if you do it AND carry the infection you put the lives of 0.1% of the unvaccinated population at risk.